Hmm, looks and sounds a fair bit like the Salomon Rocker and Soul7, any comparisons to those? Of what about the Sir Francis Bacon or Mordecai?
More comparisons to the Shreditor?
Hey Slim,
Unfortunately I don’t have any time on the Rocker or Soul7. The Subtraction is wider and heavier than the Soul7, and is oriented more as a freestyle twin.
It falls between the Rocker2 108 and 122 width wise, and I’d bet float wise too. Just from hand flexing both of those skis I’d hazard the guess that the Subtraction is a little less damp and has more pop.
I mentioned the Mordecai briefly, and would say that most of my comparisons to the J Skis Friend would also apply to the Mordecai, it’s damper, and more stable than the Subtraction.
I don’t think the Bacon plays in the same space, it’s quite a bit skinnier, and thus quicker, the Subtraction does feel like a sized up Bacon in a lot of situations though.
The Shreditor is the one ski I have the most time on, and while it actually hand flexes a tad softer (although mine do have a lot of days on them at this point), it’s damper, more rockered, and more stable. Part of that is definitely due to the length, I have the 189cm Shreditor, which measures long, whereas the 186cm Subtraction is only 183.3 cm tip to tail.
So while the longer Shreditor is more stable, that extra rocker (and less camber) means it feels less hooky, and is more pivoty.
Both of them are very easy to ollie off of anything just by loading the tails, but the Shreditor feels much heavier in the air, and is more stable on landings.
Hope that helps!
Cy
We also got to test Revision’s Subtraction ski and can echo Cy’s findings. The Subtraction is “play play play”, definitely wanting to pop off everthing in sight with abandon…being fat enough to flash through soft crud with lots of energy. Some people might find it too darty and quick at high speeds in 3D snow, and a bit unsettled at warp speed on top of snow, but few skis are more fun to pound through freshies in the trees where quick reactions and energy are good things to have underfoot. This is a ski with a jib-bias, and a pretty darn good grip on harder surfaces when asked. It’s not a charger, but more of a mischievious bouncy funhouse kind of ski…lots of fun and leans toward agility rather than cruisability at its 116mm underfoot size. It seems to like being in the air as much as in the snow. The Subtraction is a poppy, energetic bird-dog of a ski in 3D snow…agile and energetic.
Any comparison to Armada JJ? I’m looking for replacement for my 6 year old JJ’s.
Seems to be in sort of same category (quick edge-to-edge, relatively soft, short radius, playful, lots of taper, similar dimensions)
Doesn’t look like this ski is a good recommendation anymore…
I”m currently looking into getting a pair of these…does the tip and tail rocker give them a sense of skiing shorter than their actual length? I”m about 5’11”, and am a bit torn between the 176 and 186
Hi Cy,
I have a pair of Subversions 176cm center line mounted. Once you hit some hard pack they get way squirrely
trying to hold an arc. I’ve always had my skis “standard” mounted, though no standard line is marked on these skis,
would that help the stability to mount them back a bit? Or is that center point the sweet spot designed for the ski?
Hmm, looks and sounds a fair bit like the Salomon Rocker and Soul7, any comparisons to those? Of what about the Sir Francis Bacon or Mordecai?
More comparisons to the Shreditor?
Hey Slim,
Unfortunately I don’t have any time on the Rocker or Soul7. The Subtraction is wider and heavier than the Soul7, and is oriented more as a freestyle twin.
It falls between the Rocker2 108 and 122 width wise, and I’d bet float wise too. Just from hand flexing both of those skis I’d hazard the guess that the Subtraction is a little less damp and has more pop.
I mentioned the Mordecai briefly, and would say that most of my comparisons to the J Skis Friend would also apply to the Mordecai, it’s damper, and more stable than the Subtraction.
I don’t think the Bacon plays in the same space, it’s quite a bit skinnier, and thus quicker, the Subtraction does feel like a sized up Bacon in a lot of situations though.
The Shreditor is the one ski I have the most time on, and while it actually hand flexes a tad softer (although mine do have a lot of days on them at this point), it’s damper, more rockered, and more stable. Part of that is definitely due to the length, I have the 189cm Shreditor, which measures long, whereas the 186cm Subtraction is only 183.3 cm tip to tail.
So while the longer Shreditor is more stable, that extra rocker (and less camber) means it feels less hooky, and is more pivoty.
Both of them are very easy to ollie off of anything just by loading the tails, but the Shreditor feels much heavier in the air, and is more stable on landings.
Hope that helps!
Cy
We also got to test Revision’s Subtraction ski and can echo Cy’s findings. The Subtraction is “play play play”, definitely wanting to pop off everthing in sight with abandon…being fat enough to flash through soft crud with lots of energy. Some people might find it too darty and quick at high speeds in 3D snow, and a bit unsettled at warp speed on top of snow, but few skis are more fun to pound through freshies in the trees where quick reactions and energy are good things to have underfoot. This is a ski with a jib-bias, and a pretty darn good grip on harder surfaces when asked. It’s not a charger, but more of a mischievious bouncy funhouse kind of ski…lots of fun and leans toward agility rather than cruisability at its 116mm underfoot size. It seems to like being in the air as much as in the snow. The Subtraction is a poppy, energetic bird-dog of a ski in 3D snow…agile and energetic.
Any comparison to Armada JJ? I’m looking for replacement for my 6 year old JJ’s.
Seems to be in sort of same category (quick edge-to-edge, relatively soft, short radius, playful, lots of taper, similar dimensions)
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Doesn’t look like this ski is a good recommendation anymore…
I”m currently looking into getting a pair of these…does the tip and tail rocker give them a sense of skiing shorter than their actual length? I”m about 5’11”, and am a bit torn between the 176 and 186
Hi Cy,
I have a pair of Subversions 176cm center line mounted. Once you hit some hard pack they get way squirrely
trying to hold an arc. I’ve always had my skis “standard” mounted, though no standard line is marked on these skis,
would that help the stability to mount them back a bit? Or is that center point the sweet spot designed for the ski?
Thanks!
Greg