2020-2021 Atomic Hawx Ultra 130 S

49 comments on “2020-2021 Atomic Hawx Ultra 130 S”

1. In fact, the touring version might have already been seen, at Sugar Bowl.

2. Jonathan,
   I have the Lange RX 130LV. Its 4 years old and time for a new boot. The Lange is fairly warm. How do you rate the warmth of the Atomic Hawx?
   Thanks,
   Bruce

   • First, Bruce – I wonder if you might only want / need a new liner? If the shell is in good shape, a Zipfit or Intuition could do wonders.

     Beyond that … I never feel like I’m a great judge of “warm” vs “cold” — I’ve worn a ton of boots, and rarely do I feel like a boot is clearly way better or worse in this regard.

     So with that pretty big caveat … I’d say the Hawx and RX LV are similar. I can easily ski either all day.

     • Thank you for the tip, I didn’t think of replacing the liner. I lost weight the past year I’m down to 150, gluten-free you know. So I am swimming in my four-year-old boots. I didn’t think of a new liner however I have a pair of poly/wool socks laying around they are pretty thick, now my boots are tight as a drum! Thanks you just saved me 600 bucks! Now I have to find a replacement for my 181 sickles. The 184 blister pros are just killing it! At a 5’8 150lbs they are freeking perfect…

3. Hi Jonathan
   Similar question to Bruce above…how warm is the Atomic Hawx. I have just returned from 3 weeks in Japan and I suffered from cold feet I am thinking of new boots for our next Southern Hemisphere winter and warmth will be a big factor. From your description of your feet mine are similar…high instep and arch, 270 ish in length, but I’m 100 across the forefoot. I skiied in my old 27.5 BD factors with Intuition Powerwraps in Japan because they fit so well…bought Scarpa Freedom SL last winter but I cannot get comfortable in them the forefoot shape is not right for me. I intend to try the new Cochise but I am concerned with the instep height and how warm are they? Lange XT a possible. I would prefer to buy tech compatible but this new Hawx sounds inviting for an inbounds only boot. Salomon XP Pro sounds good too. Any advice?
   Cheers Clive NZ

   • Hi, Clive – I really don’t feel comfortable making recommendations based on warmth; it’s just far too subjective, and there are so many variables here that it makes it very difficult allow for really accurate assessments. But a couple questions: Are you always, consistently wearing a thin sock? (I wear super thin socks – no padding – pretty much always, FWIW.)

     And seems like your quest might be to find a liner that works really well for you — the shells themselves are likely not the major factor here. Liners, yes. Overall fit, yes.

     Seems like it might be time for an article on this topic…

4. Any problem with the boot leaking extensively? Just spent 2.5 hours in my brand new Atomic Ultra Hawx 120 on a sunny groomer day and both toe boxes were drenched. I’m not exaggerating one bit, drenched! Have pictures to prove how wet the liners were after I got home. Did you notice anything like this on the 130?

   • No problems whatsoever. And I’ve got a lot of days in the boot. I’d check in with the shop you bought them from.

   • Troy, I’m in the same boat as you.My Hawx Ultra 120 leak like a sieve. I’m actually trying to get them warrantied.. guess its not a fluke.

     • Shop told me it’s because my foot is too wide for the boot and I’m not closing it enough. That’s a bunch of bull. Boot fits perfect after molding and skis great, not a fit problem it’s a design problem. They returned it immediately, I emailed Atomic a week and they haven’t responded…. I will try another pair from a store that is easily returnable if same problem occurrs. I’m not impressed.

       • ya.. I’m dealing with EVO and its not been a good experience.. will never buy from them again.
         good luck. I’m about to call AMEX.

         • Keep us posted. I would love to hear from Atomic. Wonder if once you break them in more and they allow you to buckle down a little tighter the leaking will go away. Only boot I had leak before was a Lange RX 130 LV, but only the left after extensive boot work done. Poor design either way .

         • Brian,

           I’ve now skied a different Ultra Hawx 120 for two days now in fresh snow. One half day and one full. Minor leaking in comparison to any other ski boot I’ve owned. Nothing like the first pair from the other shop. Fluke? Tightening down the new one more? Not sure. Heat molded both boots other than this guy tightened down the two lower buckles more than the other shop. Maybe formed the plastic differently? Good skiing boot but thinking I should have gone 130 flex but waiting for more days on them.

           • Troy, Atomic is taking them back. Good to hear you new pair is not as bad but I’m hesitant to get a replacement and have to groundhog day this experience.

             • I gave up on second pair of them after about five more days. Leak pretty bad still and I was cranking them down as they broke in so I know it’s not because I wasn’t forming a good seal. Socks noticably wet when they really shouldn’t be. Never had this problem with any other boot I’ve owned and even ones that have had extensive work done.

               • Hi Troy and Brian,
                 I recently purchased some Hawx Ultra 130 boots and have experienced some terrible leaking. Drenched liners and socks and having water/ice come out of the shell with the
                 liner when I remove it.
                 I am trying to get them refunded locally (Australia) and have had confirmation from Atomic in Europe it is a known problem.
                 They want me to use some add on clips created in an attempt to create a better seal but with my experience with them would not be confident.
                 Were either of you provided feedback from Atomic about the problem you can pass on to me?
                 Thanks

     • Tape the toe box with duct tape and you will be fine with these boots.

5. Hi Jonathan thanks for your reply. My query was largely because of the similarities of my feet to your description of your feet. In particular I have a high arch/instep which most skiboots crush this can lead to a loss of circulation and cold feet. I also have skinny lower legs…think Kiwi bird with skinny legs and wide toes…and your description of the snug fit of this boot around your lower leg resonates with me. In the bad old days I bought bigger boots to get enough width across my toes which then meant cranking buckles up to get enough hold down…who hasn’t been there? These days there are boots out there to suit short wide feet with high arch/instep and skinny legs..aren’t there? Your feet sound similar to mine…so I am very interested in what boots you feel really suit your feet. I love your reviews and I subscribe to your website….PS met your crew at Mt Olympus a few years back…I was at the wedding…cheers Clive

   • Clive, how high is your instep? See: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-101/boot-fitting-101/fit-issues-and-myths

   • Hi, Clive! Apologies for the delay here. As for what boots fit my feet, I’m pretty lucky in that I am usually able to get along pretty well with a number of 96-98mm lasted boots. The 16/17 Fischer RC4 130 has been a go-to boot for me, but I am currently skiing again / circulating through the 16/17 Lange RX 130 LV, this Hawx Ultra reviewed here, and most recently, the HEAD Raptor 140 RS. All of these boots fit me quite well to very well, so I’m actually not sure how useful that is to you.

     As for warmth, apparently I’m fortunate on this front, too — cold feet are just not much of an issue for me.

     But it sound like the Hawx with the heat-moldable shell might work well for you. The Salomon X-Pro 120 or 130 might be a good option, too, given that they are also heat-moldable and have a wider, 100 mm last. (See my review of the X-Pro 120).

6. Hi Jonathan,

   I was just about to ask for a topic of the week on boot performance/function, now I read this and see you discuss a lot of that here.

   Still here goes:
   What does forward lean(fixed dorsiflexion) do? Aren’t we supposed to dorsiflex our ankles and stay forward on our skis? So is more better?
   What about boot stiffness?
   Lateral: you need enough to keep the ski up on edge, but too stiff means your knees have to absorb everything and do the work of releasing the edges.
   Forward flex/stiffness:
   Obviously you need some stiffness to pressure the tips of your skis, but isn’t a fair bit of forward flex a good thing, allowing the ankle to flex to absorb a bump, rather than pitching your body forward?

   It might be because I am an intermediate skier at best, started late in life and spent most of my youth on equipment where you have to actively flex ankles to keep balanced:
   Inline skates, mountain bikes, skate skis, SHOES, etc.
   But to me, very stiff ski boots or snowboard boots and bindings, always felt like they make balance harder, since they don’t allow you uncouple upper body movement from ski movement.

   What are your thoughts on this?

7. Jonathan,

   “C” width for your foot means what in mm’s, if you know? I’m same length as you and high instep as well. Shop thinks the boot is too narrow for me and it’s leaking because I can’t close the two lower buckles enough. It does not feel too narrow for me at all. First boot I’ve ever skied that was this wet inside after a short ski day.

   • I actually just had a 3D foot scan done, so here are some numbers: Length: (L) = 272 mm, (R) = 278 mm. Width: (L) = 98 mm, (R) = 99 mm

     • Jonathan, are those measurements unweighted or weighted? Just curious

       • Weighted.

8. Hi Pat
   I read the boot fitting post in your message and I attempted the measurement without a Brannock device…it came out as 270 which is the same as the length of my foot. It is questionable whether I did it right without the heel cup to measure off. Two seasons ago I tried to ski in a Scarpa Maestrale (the white ones) they crushed my foot across the top of the arch. Last season I tried Scarpa freedom SL they feel reasonable over my arch but so much room over my forefoot I was clamping down to hold my foot steady and hurting the arch area once again. I packed above the forefoot with shaped high density foam but still not comfortable now the heel is bothering me…ready to give up on these boots too. I suspect the answer is in a shorter length but the right toe width (100+) and instep height…if possible with tech fittings please…The toe width thing should be sortable with boot stretching so the critical area is the instep height. When I had the Intuition wraparound liners fitted to my old BD Factors with my custom footbeds in I was bursting out the top of the boot…a bit like Troy in the comments above… I have come to think one factor is exactly where the instep buckle sits over my arch and the angle it pulls on….from the photos of the Salomon X Pro it looks like you can move the buckle sideways on the metal plate and thus tweak the pressure point a little….this feature might be of benefit to some people.
   Come May/June I will be visiting a bootfitter to try once again to get a comfortable performance boot on my tortured feet!

   • Clive,

     Assuming your measurement is correct, you don’t have a crazy high instep but it certainly isn’t low.

     I am a 278mm in length, 270 in volume with 100 mm forefoot width, and only 215 mm circumference on the smallest part of my lower leg and 275 where my lower leg reaches the cuff of a ski boot.

     The scarpa maestrale is very low on the instep, when I tried on the regular and RS without a footbed i got quite a bit of pressure on the instep as well at a 27.5, so I can imagine you had too much instep pressure. The scarpa freedom is a higher volume boot in all dimensions, I’m not surprised they felt like that on you. For me in touring boots, the only boots that have worked for me are dynafit vulcan, TLT, and dalbello lupo TI . Without knowing exactly how skinny your ankle and lower leg is, it does look like your options are limited to dynafit vulcan (a bit low on instep but not as much as maestrale), Salomon MTN Lab/Explore, Dalbello Lupo Ti, Cochise and Lange xt freetour. Atomic is also coming out with a tech version of the Hawx Ultra next year, so your bootfitter would have those for you to try if you’re lucky.

     Also Jonathan has a point with the liner. Indeed some liners come with a lot of padding on the instep or underneath the foot, and that with custom footbeds can add to the pressure on the instep. If you were to go the intuition route if you still had the BD factors, getting a liner with a stroble bottom such as a Pro Wrap would relieve your pressure as you can remove the padding on the bottom and give yourself more room for your foot and footbed.

     Make sure you see a bootfitter(s) that have these boots so you can find the one that matches your foot the best! Good luck.

9. Many thanks Pat. All in all some good info on boots and feet has come thru in the posts on this thread. I will be wanting to try on the new Cochise and the Langes too but if they are not going to work then I will just have to go with whatever the boot fitters suggest.
   Cheers Clive

10. Can you compare the Atomic Hawx Ultra 130 to the Lange XT 130 Freetour LV? What I’d really like to see is a shootout between the Lange XT 130 Freetour and the new Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD 130 that was just announced at SIA!

    • I am interested in the same question. I have a very narrow foot and a low volume lower leg, high calf, and few boots can work for me other than the typical race boots. I’m 200lbs and currently in Salomon Ghost 130’s, that I generally like since i can put a WTR with tech soles on them but they still ski like the Max 130’s that share the same shell and have a 98 last. My big problem with them though is the upper cuff just has too much room for my skinny leg. I have some new Intuition power wraps coming to try to fill the voids, but the Hawk XTD 130’s look like they might work well. I have tried the Hawk Ultra’s in a shop and they seemed nice and snug. I’m thinking the Lange Freetour or the XTD are my main choices for next year. Love to hear some thoughts between the two. Thanks!

11. I’m curious how the shell fit-ability of boots like the Hawx or the Fischer Vacuum compare to the fit you get from a custom foam liner, especially for challenging feet.
    Here’s my situation. I have very wide and flat feet with low arches. My feet are basically pancake flippers. In addition I have pretty thick calves and small heel and ankle. Any boot i use needs stretching for width, but my ankles are always left with too much space. On a previous boot my bootfitter used shims to fill up the space. With my current boots (Lange rx 130) I went custom foam, which has produced much better results.

    So I’m wondering how this emerging class of shell-mold-able boots compares to custom foam, for difficult feet cases like mine?

    • Nobody cares about custom foam ski boot liners anymore? :-(

12. Jonathan,

    can you compare the Hawx Ultra 130 to the Dalbello Lupo S.P. (or to the KR 2 PRO I.D.)?
    Now I’m skiing the Lupo S.P. with the stiffer tongue inbounds and the Salomon MTN LAB for touring.
    I’m looking for a pair of downhill boots to replace my Lupo S.P. for resort duty and I’m thinking of the Hawx Ultra 130.
    The lightness of the Hawx Ultra 130 is very nice but I don’t want to quit to the downhill performace of the Lupo S.P..

    Thank you very much and cheers from Italy.

    Pietro

13. Lightweight is relative. My Full Tilt First Chairs (in 29.5 i think) are ~ 4.8 lbs/pair ~ according to my digital bathroom scale, so even if that is off a 1/10th of a lb, or 2/10’s or 3/10’s that is still super light. Weight does make a difference for inbounds skiing just like out of bounds / touring. I often switch from a 118 mm / 189 cm metal laminate ski to a 112/181-ish no metal ski at lunch and that saves 1lb/ski. That is a completely noticeable change (relief), though I do pay a bit of a penalty on ski stability when opening it up. My main point is definitely consider light weight alpine boots, over the course of a day it makes a difference and you will feel “lighter on your feet” , because you are.

14. Hi Jonathan
    i am skiing in the head raptor rs 120 and that is enough stiffness for me. is this a similar fitting boot? I noticed you are trying the 140 rs which I think is lower volume than the 120. The 120 is roomy for me. Should I consider the hawx ultra 130 or 120?

    • It’s a bit tough to say, Bob — given a proper heat molding of the shell, you ought to be able to get a great fit from the Hawx Ultra.

      But if I’m comparing my heat-molded 26.5 Hawx Ultras to the 26.5 Head Raptor 140 RS … then I’d say that yes, the fit is at least similar in terms of length, width, instep, cuff, and heel hold. I really like the fit of the Raptors, and the only thing is that the instep is tight / hurts on the medial cuneiform of each of my foot. As I’m getting more time in the Raptor liners, this is diminishing a bit each day, it seems.

      In the Hawx, the heat-moldable shell meant that things like prominent medial cuneiform bones are molded around immediately.

      As for whether you should consider the Ultra 130 or 120 … I think it’s a coin toss / pretty hard to say. Keep in mind that the Raptor “120” is actually a “110” out of the box, and only a 120 if you put in another rivet in the spine of the boot. (And accordingly, the Raptor “140” comes out of the box as a 130, but you can add 1 rivet to make it a “140,” or 2 rivets to bump it up to a purported “150”.)

      So if you are skiing your Raptor 120s out of the box / didn’t add a rivet, then I suspect the Hawx 120 may be the better way to go for right-off-the-bat flex similarity. But if you go 130, you can either remove one of the rivets from the back of the boot, or preferably, have a good boot fitter shave down a bit of the “clog” of the boot to soften up the flex.

      Hope that makes sense.

15. Jonathan, thanks for the follow up. Wow interesting about the raptor out of the box. I thought it was a 120 and if you took out the rivet then it would be a 110. Also, I think heat moulding may not benefit me as I need smaller volume not larger. I do not have any hot spots to address. I love the cuff on the boot like you. It is fairly tall and really wraps my leg. I have it buckled now as far as it will go as the tongue padding has compressed. May have to add a wrap on the liner to get more volume filled up.

    What do you think regarding the light weight of the Hawx Ultra being enough to drive wider skis i.e.: 115 plus width? i have noticed a difference since I switched from the Raptor. I also added a duke binding to the ski so it is not apples to apples. I have them on a Rossi super 7 and I am also speculating that the duke binding could affect the flexibility of the ski along with the added weight which is a totally different topic but relates as it may not be the boot but rather the binding.

16. Jonathan – I tried these boots in a 120, with my odd sized feet (left fits a 28 really, right fits a 27 perfect, it’s 6-8mm shorter that the left). I read you will often size down and deal with toe punches and the like to fix length problems. The fitters I have been to seem reticent to do this but to me it seems like a good solution to my odd sized foot issue:
    if I fit a 28 then the left feels good – quite close fitting, but the right too comfy for out of the box (shell fit 25mm) , suspect it will move to bad fit after skiing
    If I fit a 27 the right feels great, but the left is pretty tight on length, right on the edge for me. Shell fit is 8-10mm.

    What’s your experience of getting some extra length punched, I probably only need 3-5mm to get the left ok on length = 2 great fits. How much length can you get with a toe punch, and are there any downsides of this approach?

17. How would you compare the flex to Lange freetours? You mentioned about the hiking aspect which I do frequently, and would some what prefer the walk mode, but the weight on the hawx has me thinking back to a dedicated Alpine boot vs the freetours. I like the idea of the freetours for no compromise slack country skiing however though.

18. Curious if anyone has any further comments on the leaking? i went from a pair of Salomon X Max 130s that were water tight to another pair of boots that will go unnamed that got water and ice inside of them. It was ‘uncomfortable’ like you might imagine. This boot has been suggested to me multiple times at a few different shops but leaking would be a deal breaker for me. i have 285 length feet, 101 mm wide, hi arch, my instep measures 27 have been told it’s a ‘deep’ instep. Was this leaking an actual design flaw or does it occasionally happen with feet that are too narrow/ wide.

19. What flex rating do you recommend for 170lb 5′ 8″ ? Are the flex rating comparable to salomon?

20. Great review Jonathan! I have been skiing the Atomic Redster Pro for 4 seasons now. It has been the best fitting and performing boot I have ever had the pleasure of owning. The heat moldable shell has been a game changer. It has allowed my wider foot to be molded into a high performance race style boot. Tremendous reactivity and control. With that said, I find that I need a second pair of boots. I am a USSA coach for U10/12 kids on weekends and usually ski 1 night a week as well. I would like a second pair so I can leave one pair in my locker at the mountain and a pair to have at home with me.
    I thought the second boot for me would have been the Hawx Ultra 130 but after reading this review, I am hesitant to pull the trigger. There are many times where I will be ripping down trails with other coaches and athletes at high speeds and more often than not, conditions are not superman snow, (think Eastern louder powder and chunked up ice at times) I would not want to give up the reactivity and control I have with the Pros in those conditions and at speed. I have had lesser boots collapse and deform while in the apex of a turn and just had to ride it out for the boots to recover (Nordica Speed Machine 14). The Redster Pro has never done that. I could pick up another pair of Pros at my shop but I was thinking of trying the new design and material in the Hawks Ultra. I would appreciate your opinion. Thank you for your time
    Based on your experience Jonathan,

    • George, Almost a year after your post. But sounds like similar concerns you have or had. Like you, my background was coach J4s and 5s
      Did it for 26 years. Retired 2 years ago from coaching. Like you my go to favorite boot to ski in is the Redster CS Pro. In reality, too narrow a boot for my foot, but like many, I compromised some Comfort for performance. Pure Carving and tree skiing are my favorites. Would prefer not to compromise carve performance…..but I need a more foot friendly boot. Aging feet have to many aches. Putting the Redster s on is a painful chore. Once on, I still love them. But looking for a little more comfort without compromising much ? Have always been an Atomic skier and was hoping Hawx might be the answer. Sounds like even though I’m long past getting timed in gates, a good carve is still fun

21. Fantastic fitting and skiing boot.

    Leaking is a major issue, makes them feel really cold.

22. Good review on the power level of the boot.
    Having skied the 18-19 Magna for a full season, which is the same boot with a higher volume clog, the boot is under powered if you like to stay in the fall line on firm snow.
    Many of the features are really good and are noticeably better than the competition.
    If you are a good technical skier the boot may not be enough. Anything the slightest bit short of that and this boot may be great.

23. Hi,

    Thanks for the review.

    I read elsewhere that the ’19 and newer versions did away with Grilamid for the cuff, going back to PU.

    Were you able to test the newer model with the PU cuff? If so, did that addresses some of the not-quite-burly-enough issues?

    Thanks.

24. Hey, thanks for a nice thorough review.

    I am reading that this year they did make a change, specifically to the liner. There is a new “mimic” liner. I’m curious if y’all had a chance to try that out and feel how it compares to the previous years.

    • Correct and they have changed the build of the boot over the years:

      Matt Manser talked about Hawx Ultra differences at 44min in “A Very Deep Dive on Ski Boots, Part 6: Ski Boot Suspension (Ep.148)” about updates to the Hawx line after the original iteration (the white/orange 16-17 boot, IIRC).

      “One of the things we did in the second generation of Hawx Ultra was we made it heavier. We added wall thickness to make it thicker, make it stronger, make it more stable.”

      Would be cool to see an updated review this season, with the newest boot and Mimic. I’m nursing along a 2016 Hawx Ultra 130s shell along with a Mimic Liner. Looking forward to a new boot this/next season.

25. Do you know if the soles on these boots can be replaced with gripwalk soles?