I’m curious. How would you fit the 177 Monster 88 in to the Ikonic/Motiv comparison?
The Monster 88 is the better pure GS ski with the most stability of the 3 skis. But the Ikonic and Motiv are more compliant at tighter turns. And while the Monster 88 is, I’d say, very well behaved at slow speeds, it is not trying to be some slalom ski.
One of the enjoyable traits of the Motive 86 Ti was its fantastic ability to slice thru on-piste crud. Does the tip shape of the Ikonic 84 Ti lessen some of this crud slicing potential or have you found it to be equally adept in those conditions?
On-piste, I didn’t feel like the 177 cm 84 Ti gave up anything to the 182 cm Motiv 86 Ti in this way. It’s *possible* (?) that if we’re talking about really firm ice chunks a difference would appear, but on softer, pushed-around snow on groomers, I don’t think the Motiv 86 Ti was any better. Both are very good. But the Monster 88 would still be best-in-category for this specific type of situation — really screwed up groomers with variable nastiness all over it.
What about a comparison with the Völkl RTM 84 or 86? Those are very popular ‘carving all-mountain’ skis
Good question. We’re hoping to do a little A/B of the RTMs and the Ikonics soon, so we’ll see.
What about a comparaison with Head Titan?
Read your comments on the new K-2 Iconic. Seems like the design guys took a look at the dated K-2 amp Rictor 82XTI
and just “tweaked” it a bit to qualify as “all mountain.
I would be interested to see a review of the Monster 83, and a comparison with the Ikonic 84 TI. From what I can find online, the 83 seems to share the same damp, stable properties as the rest of the Monster line, but would likely not be as versatile off-piste. You pointed me in the direction of the Monster 88s, and I picked up a used pair of demos. I only have 3 days on them so far, and I can’t get the term DAMP out of my head. Ripping high speed GS turns on the frontside is just so much fun. I need to work on my technique and strength, to get the most out of the 88s on the steep, variable, off-piste terrain. Im already eyeing the M98s, but I would be putting the cart before the horse, at this point – something to work towards.
Does anyone at Blister have any experience or first-hand knowledge of the M83? I know it’s been out for awhile, and there are too many skis, and too little time to review them all. Having the same, or similar damp, smooth, powerful feel of the 88 in a narrower waist is appealing for me. I have plates and screws in one ankle, and a tricky knee on the same leg – using a narrower waist width on firm frontside conditions, seems to help keep that leg from complaining as much.
While I’m at it, huge props on the Blister Winter Buyers Guide – it’s a freaking work of art. I especially love the rankings for conditions and application, in each category – very cool. In addition to the 17/18 guide, it’s also nice having the previous season’s edition, as I often find myself looking at previous year models of skis, for the less than retail pricing. Looking forward to getting the hard copy in the mail.
Great work Jonathan and the entire Blister crew!
Good news, chainus – we now have the 18/19 HEAD Monster 83 in hand, and will most definitely be A/B-ing it against the Ikonic 84 Ti. The only caveat is that the Monster 83 has been updated for 18/19, and we have not reviewed the previous iteration of the Monster 83. But stay tuned.
And thanks so much for the kind words about the Buyer’s Guide!
8 months late.
I have loads of time on the pre 18/19 83’s and 98’s.
The 98’s are softer flexing than the 83’s and 88’s which I would call very stiff skis.
I’ve not skied the 88, but I am guessing they are more similar than different but would hazard a guess that the 88’s turn into a carve faster based on the marginally fatter tip to waist relative to the 83. But we are splitting hairs here.
The 83’s are not a slow speed carver: you really need to be moving on them. I love these skis. You ski them angry. I’m always angry. They can be absolutely railed. One might think they’d offer similar performance with a more firm snow bias over the 88 , but even not having skied the 88 I fail to see why Head made an 88 and 83. I just think they are too similar. Their construction is identical and hand flexing they feel the same to me. 5mm waist width with a slightly more pronounced variation in tip and tail widths but still similar radiuses in corresponding lengths = makes little sense to me.
If I had to buy one knowing what I know and for how and where I ski I’d take the 88 over the 83. I think it is an ever so slightly better carver; would give up nothing on the top end; be more versatile in mode conditions based on the +5mm waist and +8mm tip widths.
Hi All, I’m 185cm for 91kg wich lenght do You suggest?!?!
Ciao!
mttq
I assume it’s snow magazine wrong saying there are changes for 2018-2019 model? I’ll believe blister saying unchanged over snow magazine saying changed but hard to tell
I just spoke with the head ski designer at K2, who said that the biggest tweak to the ski is the system binding that the 18/19 ski now ships with the K2 / Marker MXC 12 TCX binding. He said that there was an extremely subtle tweak in terms of the layup of the ski, but that the cosmetic modifications were more significant than any performance modifications. So I am not at all ready to buy Snow’s claim that K2 made “an already good all mountain ski even better,” and that they’ve taken “the performance level up another notch.” This sounds far more like the common practice in the review world of running with some marketing copy than any sort of actual, on snow A/B comparisons between the 17/18 and the 18/19 models. And what little bit they do talk about their actual on snow experience isn’t exactly nuanced.
ah I see – the due diligence is much appreciated
Hello. I was wondering what the difference was between this model, the 2018 K2 Iconic 84ti and previous years model 2017 K2 Iconic 85ti. I have seen the 2017 models for sale used at a great price. I ski mostly northern Michigan groomed trails, but I like to go in the deeper snow and moguls as well. Mostly Black Diamond skier who gets a little bored on the blues and will go on double diamonds, but with less skill and confidence. I generally ski fast. thanks for your input.
I own both the 84 and the 84ti 177cm. I have been skiing for almost 50 years, i was a ski tester in the 80’s. My quiver runs from 80 under foot to 108. My tendencies are forward stance carving, I say centered forward in powder too.
Both the 84 and the 84ti are my favorite skiis for firm conditions. The 84 softer torsion is very clear for releasing tails, and skidding, they are best for skiing with the family. When I am alone or with just my ripping grandson the 84ti come out. They are way better for icy conditions or ice. The 84’s are better in powder up to a foot. The 84ti is better for the chop.
You guys at Blister nailed this ski, However they don’t reward a backseat skier. I have put a few other skiers on these skiis and get mixed results due to their stance.
Thanks
Hi! I’m considering the Ikonic Ti skis but can’t decide between 84ti and 80ti. Is there a difference other than the obvious 4mm in width? K2 specs say that 80ti is bit heavier (1925g vs 1841g @177), which kind of says the construction of these two is somewhat different. Does anyone know the diffs in detail?
For me the skis would be purely on-piste and I already have another pair of 92mm skis, so the 80ti would be better suit my quiver, but still it would be nice to know the differences before getting a pair
Btw. great forum, I really enjoy reading the reviews and comment, thanks!
Hi Sami, What part of the country do you ski. Low altitude? High altitude? how hard is the snow? How fast do you like to ski?
The 84ti will give you more versatility for softer snow, less grabby. 80ti will be quicker edge to edge. Both will like neutral to forward stance best.
Hi Dan, I’m skiing in Finland in varying conditions. It’s mostly hard snow throughout the winter, except later in the spring or occasional warmer days. Nothing that I would really call off-piste is available, unfortunately. At best it could be some 10cm of fresh snow on top of a hardpack right next to the groomers.
I like to ski fast and pretty aggressively. But I’m not looking for a race ski or pure carver (although I really like superb edge hold), but something bit more versatile that works well also when the on-piste conditions are not perfect. And I’d like the ski to be fun also in lower speed since nowadays I’m also skiing a lot with my son. For many years I had Atomic Supercross SX (65mm underfoot), which has great edge hold but works only on hard snow and high speed, so it’s lacking all the versatility.
What I’ve read about the Ikonic TIs is that they should be pretty good carvers, but have the width and rocker profile to do well in varying snow conditions. I’m thinking the 80 TI might be better for my use because being quicker edge to edge.
Does 84ti being less grabby mean that 80ti is a stiffer ski or is there differences in the rocker/camber profile?
Btw. I’m 190cm and roughly 90kg, but considering the 177cm ski because of it’s shorter turning radius and the fact that the local ski resorts have short slopes with 100m vertical :)
I’m also aware of the new K2 disruption skis, which seem really interesting also. It’s just that the disruption 82TI is now double the price of the Ikonic 80TI..
What I mean by less grabby is when there are conditions that go from hard to soft on the same run. The 84ti is very smooth in the transition, it does not get hung up if you need to skid a turn. I think the rocker profile is the same. There is no rocker in the tail on either of these skis. The tail is pretty stiff, which I love. My home area is fairly low altitude and gets very hard snow between storms. I have never had the 84ti lose edge hold. But, I have skied it 20cm of pow with no problem. It shines the the chop. If you want a more focused carving ski I would choose the 80ti. If you want something that skis everything except deep snow take the 84ti. This review by the blister crew nails the 84ti. Both the 80ti and 84ti reward the forward skier with amazing performance. I am sure they are both fun for your conditions. Go for the best deal. I get to ski between 65-75 days a year. 75% of the time I grab 84ti.
Nice to speak with someone from Finland. I live in Idaho, USA.
Thanks for your comments Dan, I really appreciate it. All the best!
Jonathan, thank you, thank you, thank you for this review!
I got and skied my Ikonic 84Ti yesterday and LOVE them!
I am probably a very different poster than your typical subscribers and readers. I started skiing last week of July this year at Ski Dubai (indoor). So, even my skiing vocabulary is still limited. I have been considering learning to ski for a couple of years, but the Corona mess this year is what made me commit. Having temperatures north of 45C and not being able to travel, or even do much outside, made this the best activity for me and my daughter.
I have a very limited exposure to skis, mainly those available at Ski Dubai. So, I’ve only tried the Rossi Experience 74, The Rossi IRS Flash and the Rossi Pursuit 300. Of those, I hate the Exp74, I like the stability at speed of the Flash, but feel like it is a dead piece of wood, and I like the Pursuit 300’s ease of turn, but felt I will fall any minute using it at speed. So, the last 2 have opposite characters for me, with each being good in one aspect, but bad at the other. So, I wanted a ski that had the Flash stability and the ease of turn of the P300.
I am still mostly a smearer, who is transitioning into a carver. Personally, I think my favourite type of skiing in the future will be backcountry, but knowing that I have to buy skis for the snow I ski, rather than want, I had to focus on a ski that excels at groomers, with some chowder. Nonetheless, I wanted something that would allow me to at least try some “off piste,” when we finally are able to travel normally.
Not having access to any demos and not having even ever skied on a mountain, buying skis was a gamble for me and this review, coupled with the Buyer’s guide glowing recommendations for this ski (1 ski quiver selection, most versatile…), let me make up my mind and buy it.
These skis are FUN! They are easy to turn and very stable. I was actually able to carve medium turns using the Ikonic yesterday much better than my previous attempts. I can also see why you said that they are better for a carver. On our Black Run, there is barely some vibration at the Tip if you’re smearing, but none whatsoever if you carve. Also, it wants to go FAST. It is very evident. However, I will say that I don’t think these skis are too hard to use. In fact, I feel more comfortable in them after 2hours than I was on any of the skis I’ve tried so far. So, it is nice to know I still have lots of room to grow into these skis.
I will also echo what Daniel Broyles said, they are totally “smooth” in transitioning from hard to soft snow and don’t get stuck in any way.
I am 178cm.90Kg and got the 170cm ski.
I will be sure to come back once I’ve confirmed my future direction and see what ski to buy next. Keep up the great work!
I’m curious. How would you fit the 177 Monster 88 in to the Ikonic/Motiv comparison?
The Monster 88 is the better pure GS ski with the most stability of the 3 skis. But the Ikonic and Motiv are more compliant at tighter turns. And while the Monster 88 is, I’d say, very well behaved at slow speeds, it is not trying to be some slalom ski.
One of the enjoyable traits of the Motive 86 Ti was its fantastic ability to slice thru on-piste crud. Does the tip shape of the Ikonic 84 Ti lessen some of this crud slicing potential or have you found it to be equally adept in those conditions?
On-piste, I didn’t feel like the 177 cm 84 Ti gave up anything to the 182 cm Motiv 86 Ti in this way. It’s *possible* (?) that if we’re talking about really firm ice chunks a difference would appear, but on softer, pushed-around snow on groomers, I don’t think the Motiv 86 Ti was any better. Both are very good. But the Monster 88 would still be best-in-category for this specific type of situation — really screwed up groomers with variable nastiness all over it.
What about a comparison with the Völkl RTM 84 or 86? Those are very popular ‘carving all-mountain’ skis
Good question. We’re hoping to do a little A/B of the RTMs and the Ikonics soon, so we’ll see.
What about a comparaison with Head Titan?
Read your comments on the new K-2 Iconic. Seems like the design guys took a look at the dated K-2 amp Rictor 82XTI
and just “tweaked” it a bit to qualify as “all mountain.
I would be interested to see a review of the Monster 83, and a comparison with the Ikonic 84 TI. From what I can find online, the 83 seems to share the same damp, stable properties as the rest of the Monster line, but would likely not be as versatile off-piste. You pointed me in the direction of the Monster 88s, and I picked up a used pair of demos. I only have 3 days on them so far, and I can’t get the term DAMP out of my head. Ripping high speed GS turns on the frontside is just so much fun. I need to work on my technique and strength, to get the most out of the 88s on the steep, variable, off-piste terrain. Im already eyeing the M98s, but I would be putting the cart before the horse, at this point – something to work towards.
Does anyone at Blister have any experience or first-hand knowledge of the M83? I know it’s been out for awhile, and there are too many skis, and too little time to review them all. Having the same, or similar damp, smooth, powerful feel of the 88 in a narrower waist is appealing for me. I have plates and screws in one ankle, and a tricky knee on the same leg – using a narrower waist width on firm frontside conditions, seems to help keep that leg from complaining as much.
While I’m at it, huge props on the Blister Winter Buyers Guide – it’s a freaking work of art. I especially love the rankings for conditions and application, in each category – very cool. In addition to the 17/18 guide, it’s also nice having the previous season’s edition, as I often find myself looking at previous year models of skis, for the less than retail pricing. Looking forward to getting the hard copy in the mail.
Great work Jonathan and the entire Blister crew!
Good news, chainus – we now have the 18/19 HEAD Monster 83 in hand, and will most definitely be A/B-ing it against the Ikonic 84 Ti. The only caveat is that the Monster 83 has been updated for 18/19, and we have not reviewed the previous iteration of the Monster 83. But stay tuned.
And thanks so much for the kind words about the Buyer’s Guide!
8 months late.
I have loads of time on the pre 18/19 83’s and 98’s.
The 98’s are softer flexing than the 83’s and 88’s which I would call very stiff skis.
I’ve not skied the 88, but I am guessing they are more similar than different but would hazard a guess that the 88’s turn into a carve faster based on the marginally fatter tip to waist relative to the 83. But we are splitting hairs here.
The 83’s are not a slow speed carver: you really need to be moving on them. I love these skis. You ski them angry. I’m always angry. They can be absolutely railed. One might think they’d offer similar performance with a more firm snow bias over the 88 , but even not having skied the 88 I fail to see why Head made an 88 and 83. I just think they are too similar. Their construction is identical and hand flexing they feel the same to me. 5mm waist width with a slightly more pronounced variation in tip and tail widths but still similar radiuses in corresponding lengths = makes little sense to me.
If I had to buy one knowing what I know and for how and where I ski I’d take the 88 over the 83. I think it is an ever so slightly better carver; would give up nothing on the top end; be more versatile in mode conditions based on the +5mm waist and +8mm tip widths.
Hi All, I’m 185cm for 91kg wich lenght do You suggest?!?!
Ciao!
mttq
I assume it’s snow magazine wrong saying there are changes for 2018-2019 model? I’ll believe blister saying unchanged over snow magazine saying changed but hard to tell
I just spoke with the head ski designer at K2, who said that the biggest tweak to the ski is the system binding that the 18/19 ski now ships with the K2 / Marker MXC 12 TCX binding. He said that there was an extremely subtle tweak in terms of the layup of the ski, but that the cosmetic modifications were more significant than any performance modifications. So I am not at all ready to buy Snow’s claim that K2 made “an already good all mountain ski even better,” and that they’ve taken “the performance level up another notch.” This sounds far more like the common practice in the review world of running with some marketing copy than any sort of actual, on snow A/B comparisons between the 17/18 and the 18/19 models. And what little bit they do talk about their actual on snow experience isn’t exactly nuanced.
ah I see – the due diligence is much appreciated
Hello. I was wondering what the difference was between this model, the 2018 K2 Iconic 84ti and previous years model 2017 K2 Iconic 85ti. I have seen the 2017 models for sale used at a great price. I ski mostly northern Michigan groomed trails, but I like to go in the deeper snow and moguls as well. Mostly Black Diamond skier who gets a little bored on the blues and will go on double diamonds, but with less skill and confidence. I generally ski fast. thanks for your input.
I own both the 84 and the 84ti 177cm. I have been skiing for almost 50 years, i was a ski tester in the 80’s. My quiver runs from 80 under foot to 108. My tendencies are forward stance carving, I say centered forward in powder too.
Both the 84 and the 84ti are my favorite skiis for firm conditions. The 84 softer torsion is very clear for releasing tails, and skidding, they are best for skiing with the family. When I am alone or with just my ripping grandson the 84ti come out. They are way better for icy conditions or ice. The 84’s are better in powder up to a foot. The 84ti is better for the chop.
You guys at Blister nailed this ski, However they don’t reward a backseat skier. I have put a few other skiers on these skiis and get mixed results due to their stance.
Thanks
Hi! I’m considering the Ikonic Ti skis but can’t decide between 84ti and 80ti. Is there a difference other than the obvious 4mm in width? K2 specs say that 80ti is bit heavier (1925g vs 1841g @177), which kind of says the construction of these two is somewhat different. Does anyone know the diffs in detail?
For me the skis would be purely on-piste and I already have another pair of 92mm skis, so the 80ti would be better suit my quiver, but still it would be nice to know the differences before getting a pair
Btw. great forum, I really enjoy reading the reviews and comment, thanks!
Hi Sami, What part of the country do you ski. Low altitude? High altitude? how hard is the snow? How fast do you like to ski?
The 84ti will give you more versatility for softer snow, less grabby. 80ti will be quicker edge to edge. Both will like neutral to forward stance best.
Hi Dan, I’m skiing in Finland in varying conditions. It’s mostly hard snow throughout the winter, except later in the spring or occasional warmer days. Nothing that I would really call off-piste is available, unfortunately. At best it could be some 10cm of fresh snow on top of a hardpack right next to the groomers.
I like to ski fast and pretty aggressively. But I’m not looking for a race ski or pure carver (although I really like superb edge hold), but something bit more versatile that works well also when the on-piste conditions are not perfect. And I’d like the ski to be fun also in lower speed since nowadays I’m also skiing a lot with my son. For many years I had Atomic Supercross SX (65mm underfoot), which has great edge hold but works only on hard snow and high speed, so it’s lacking all the versatility.
What I’ve read about the Ikonic TIs is that they should be pretty good carvers, but have the width and rocker profile to do well in varying snow conditions. I’m thinking the 80 TI might be better for my use because being quicker edge to edge.
Does 84ti being less grabby mean that 80ti is a stiffer ski or is there differences in the rocker/camber profile?
Btw. I’m 190cm and roughly 90kg, but considering the 177cm ski because of it’s shorter turning radius and the fact that the local ski resorts have short slopes with 100m vertical :)
I’m also aware of the new K2 disruption skis, which seem really interesting also. It’s just that the disruption 82TI is now double the price of the Ikonic 80TI..
What I mean by less grabby is when there are conditions that go from hard to soft on the same run. The 84ti is very smooth in the transition, it does not get hung up if you need to skid a turn. I think the rocker profile is the same. There is no rocker in the tail on either of these skis. The tail is pretty stiff, which I love. My home area is fairly low altitude and gets very hard snow between storms. I have never had the 84ti lose edge hold. But, I have skied it 20cm of pow with no problem. It shines the the chop. If you want a more focused carving ski I would choose the 80ti. If you want something that skis everything except deep snow take the 84ti. This review by the blister crew nails the 84ti. Both the 80ti and 84ti reward the forward skier with amazing performance. I am sure they are both fun for your conditions. Go for the best deal. I get to ski between 65-75 days a year. 75% of the time I grab 84ti.
Nice to speak with someone from Finland. I live in Idaho, USA.
Thanks for your comments Dan, I really appreciate it. All the best!
Jonathan, thank you, thank you, thank you for this review!
I got and skied my Ikonic 84Ti yesterday and LOVE them!
I am probably a very different poster than your typical subscribers and readers. I started skiing last week of July this year at Ski Dubai (indoor). So, even my skiing vocabulary is still limited. I have been considering learning to ski for a couple of years, but the Corona mess this year is what made me commit. Having temperatures north of 45C and not being able to travel, or even do much outside, made this the best activity for me and my daughter.
I have a very limited exposure to skis, mainly those available at Ski Dubai. So, I’ve only tried the Rossi Experience 74, The Rossi IRS Flash and the Rossi Pursuit 300. Of those, I hate the Exp74, I like the stability at speed of the Flash, but feel like it is a dead piece of wood, and I like the Pursuit 300’s ease of turn, but felt I will fall any minute using it at speed. So, the last 2 have opposite characters for me, with each being good in one aspect, but bad at the other. So, I wanted a ski that had the Flash stability and the ease of turn of the P300.
I am still mostly a smearer, who is transitioning into a carver. Personally, I think my favourite type of skiing in the future will be backcountry, but knowing that I have to buy skis for the snow I ski, rather than want, I had to focus on a ski that excels at groomers, with some chowder. Nonetheless, I wanted something that would allow me to at least try some “off piste,” when we finally are able to travel normally.
Not having access to any demos and not having even ever skied on a mountain, buying skis was a gamble for me and this review, coupled with the Buyer’s guide glowing recommendations for this ski (1 ski quiver selection, most versatile…), let me make up my mind and buy it.
These skis are FUN! They are easy to turn and very stable. I was actually able to carve medium turns using the Ikonic yesterday much better than my previous attempts. I can also see why you said that they are better for a carver. On our Black Run, there is barely some vibration at the Tip if you’re smearing, but none whatsoever if you carve. Also, it wants to go FAST. It is very evident. However, I will say that I don’t think these skis are too hard to use. In fact, I feel more comfortable in them after 2hours than I was on any of the skis I’ve tried so far. So, it is nice to know I still have lots of room to grow into these skis.
I will also echo what Daniel Broyles said, they are totally “smooth” in transitioning from hard to soft snow and don’t get stuck in any way.
I am 178cm.90Kg and got the 170cm ski.
I will be sure to come back once I’ve confirmed my future direction and see what ski to buy next. Keep up the great work!