Downhill Performance
As I noted at the top, Marshal’s review did a wonderful job of covering the on-snow performance of the Maestrale RS. I’d echo his sentiments about the smooth forward flex and powerful lateral rigidity. This boot skis well.
Range of Motion
In his review, Marshal goes into some detail about how the larger range of motion (ROM) in the Maestrale RS doesn’t necessarily benefit him, and speculates that people on steeper, harder skin tracks would prefer more. My experience actually suggests just the opposite: long, flat approaches make better use of a large ROM, because the increased cuff flexion allows for more glide and reach on each stride Steep skinning is more efficient with a shorter stride and higher cadence, so large ROM boots offer a wider range of comfort by flexing forward to counter the slope underfoot without extra climbing risers.
SCARPA claims 37 degrees of flexion in the Maestrale RS, and thus it fares far better than boots with less ROM on the flats, especially when flexed toward the rear. But on steeps, the non-removeable tongue blocks the forward motion, and the stops in the upper cuff hit those on the scaffo, preventing the cuff from flexing any further forward.
I would disagree with Marshal that the Maestrale RS’s ROM is in the same class with the Dynafit TLT5–instead, it sits in a middle category of good ROM performance for AT boots, while the TLT5 has a greater range of motion that places it at the more uphill-oriented end of the spectrum.
Long-Term Durability
There’s some part of me that wonders what kind of intended life comes built into a boot like the Maestrale RS. Days used, or number of tours, or even years might all be misleading qualifiers of durability, especially given that there have to be a fair number of boots of the same year as mine that have seen less than 1/10th the use.
And I’ve beaten mine hard across the whole spectrum of backcountry skiing: big walks through dirt and rocks, all-out 5th class scrambling, international travel, water crossings, freezing nights, yurt trips, extended camping in the snow, and plenty of powder turns. At 5’ 8” and 190 lbs, my frame is not small.
For the powder touring I did, the Maestrale performed admirably. That’s it’s intended use. If you don’t see many rocks in your uphilling, this boot can serve you well.
Mountaineering Durability
But given the number of skiers I’ve seen using the Maestrale RS on the Cascade Volcanoes and Denali, there’s clearly a group that uses the boot beyond just skin tracks and for more than powder pillaging. And if you’re a patroller or guide (especially in places where the rocks flock like salmon of Capistrano) durability really matters. So I think there’s good reason to comment on the Maestrale RS’s durability as a mountaineering tool, even if that is on the edge of the boot’s spectrum of use.
Along these lines, there are two categories: issues that (A) should reasonably be expected for a boot that has seen so much heavy use, and (B) one issue that I think is more essentially problematic for mountaineering in the Maestrale RS.
In the first category (A): I’ve worn out and replaced the liner, ground the cuff pivots into a bit of slop, broken the walk mode, and loosened the rivets that hold the heel buckle. Again, I think of these as issues I’ve caused by abuse.
But the second category (B) concerns the way that the tongue is attached to the scaffo.
Tongue Attachment
As Marshal mentioned, the tongue attachment and pivot is pretty funky. Curved on the top and bottom, with a slightly flexible bellows in the middle, the tongue floats free aside from two thin, metal u-clamps on the inside part of the boot. These are riveted to the scaffo.
Buckling the lower closures attaches the other side of the tongue, which creates a secure system to receive the force of the upper cuff via the tongue when the boot is flexed forward.
On the first proper mountaineering day I did in the Maestrale RS last March, I stuffed my boot in a wide rock crack while scrambling, then pulled it out to find one of the u-clamps cracked. It wasn’t an exciting event, and evidently it happens (as SCARPA has replacement clamps ready for those who ask) which are attached by a supplied t-bolt system. I figured I’d sort out the repair later, and carried on with just one u-clamp for quite a while.
Extra stress undoubtedly made things worse for the remaining clamp, but it came as a bit of a surprise when I did the same thing to both u-clamps—on the other boot—while touring in early June. I had to fix it then, because the boots weren’t skiable with both clamps broken. SCARPA quickly sent me four of the replacement u-clamps at no charge—kudos on the customer service there.
Installing them was a bit of a process. I had to drill out the old rivets, then widen the holes in the scaffo to allow the t-bolts to slide in. It was simple but time consuming work at the bench.
The fix was fine, initially. Then, while touring up a ridge in Japan this winter, I felt a pop and looked down to see that the bolt had completely backed out of the t-nut on the bottom tongue attachment. I didn’t put on any extra Locktite when I installed them, and that was my bad.
However, hex heads are a poor choice for something that should be backcountry fixable (a flathead seems better), so I did my best with my leatherman and further tightened them back at the lodge, where the thin hex interface easily stripped.
The stress of mountaineering or operating in rocks exposes the scaffo to a bit more abuse than using the boot only in snow. And since the tongue attachments are more vulnerable on the Maestrale RS than many other boots with ski mountaineering capabilities, it’s an important distinction.
A bad rock hit to this boot goes beyond losing just a buckle–if the u-clamps break while you’re out, both lower buckles and the forward flex are affected, since the tongue is no longer attached to boot. Is this is a niche problem? Certainly. But if you’re part of that group, it’s worth your attention.
Perhaps the biggest conclusion I have is that the Maestrale RS’ range can be stretched into the mountaineering world: but if that’s part of your uphilling, take some care when you find yourself wandering off of the snow.
Bottom Line
The Scarpa Maestrale RS isn’t the boot for those looking for either the most capable uphill boot or the most capable downhill boot out there. It also wouldn’t be my first recommendation for those who spend a lot of time scrambling and climbing on rock when they tour, or anyone who needs a burly, super durable AT boot.
But for those looking for a warm, wide AT boot with a very good blend of uphill and downhill performance—and something that can serve double-duty reasonably well inbounds and out of bounds—the Maestrale RS still deserves serious consideration.
I have skied these boots for about 40 days and generally agree with the sentiments of this article, particularly concerning skiability and range of motion.
However, I have snapped both of the metal walk levers (within a couple of days of each other) – same model as above. I have only toured about 10 days in these boots and the majority of skiing was in soft snow in BC and Japan. I am still trying to buy replacement levers which seem impossible to find. Scarpa USA has not responded to my request.
The poor reliability and customer service from Scarpa is a deal breaker for me and I will choose Dynafit next time.
Hey Matt,
Bummer on the lever breakage; sorry to hear about your difficulties in sourcing a new one. Out of curiosity, what part of the lever broke?
Thanks,
David
Thanks David. On the right boot, the metal lever came right off. The metal snapped where it enters the black plastic. This left the book locked in ski. On the left boot the lever it still in place but the metal is snapped through on the left hand side where it enters the black plastic, leaving me in walk mode.
Cheers
Matt
Matt,
Interesting. I had a similar breakage point when my lever snapped. It happened while skiing, and your report made me go back to consider how it might happen.
Looking at the boot, it’s possible that errant ski edge could come up and contact the bottom of the lever from the inward side. Half frozen suncups, like what I was skiing when it happened, could be jittery enough to cause my uphill leg to bounce around. If the boot is flexed, and the pin engaged in ski mode, that might immobilize the top part of the lever while the ski hits the bottom, which then uses the levers’ own length to put extra force on that bend. Just an idea, one I’d test if I had some spare parts lying around.
Thankfully, it’s far easier to fix a broken lever on these new ones. You can push anything still stuck in the mechanism out with a thinner wire or other tool, and the install is as simple as gently putting a new lever wire into the same sockets. Scarpa was quick to help out with my t-bolts–maybe another email to them is in order.
Cheers,
David
Matt,
Is this what you’re having trouble finding?
(Note: That is *not* the complete assembly, and is missing the u-shaped metal pieces underneath the plastic latch. But it sounds like you still have that part and it’s fine. If not, you’d need the gen1 kit: https://www.scarpa.com/
That’s it Colin, the trouble was trying to get someone to send me some. I even sent Scarpa that same link.
Fortunately it looks like I have managed to track a couple down through a Canadian shop.
David, I guess that is a possibility, especially on fatter skis.
Just a quick note on the issue of lateral cuff slop. I own the second generation mango maestrales, about four seasons old now. Cuff slop developed after only 40+/- days of ski touring. Boots were put into semi retirement and recently brought back into service. I removed the lateral cuff alignment bolt and examined the lower shell plastic and noticed that it had a slight oval shape due to premature wear. As a temporary measure to restore lateral response integrity, I cut a piece of plastic zip tie to fill the gap of the ovalized plastic to restore the round shape and reinstalled the hardware. Works like a charm though durability is a question mark. For the cuff slop evident on the medial cuff hinge, I cut another piece of zip tie plastic and pressed it into the small gap between the medial cuff bolt grey plastic piece and black rear cuff mating surface with a flat head screwdriver. Also works for now; zero lateral slop for skiing and a noticeable improvement in power transmission precision for lateral movements on snow. (wish I could post photos) As noted, temporary repair; time will tell how much endurance this ghetto repair job will have in the real world after time. For a more durable repair I might try some j.b. weld plastic bond or similar material to address the issue for the long term if the quick fix doesn’t do the trick.
This is a clever solution–thanks for sharing.
Perhaps a stock bushing in the pivot, similar to the ones that Dynafit had to put on their carbon cuffs, could solve this slop problem. Maybe materials or costs make it prohibitive to use one. My guess is that it’s an issue that few people encounter.
David,
Totally agree with your take on the ROM advantage being on long strides on long approaches (especially apparent to dudes with longer legs and a longer natural stride, methinks). On steep stuff, you don’t use nearly the same ROM.
Looking to pair a new ski with my maestraels, due to injury will be skiing more inbounds and mellow outback descents, currently have 2013 nomads (181) any ideas?
Are these boots noticably softer than the MTN Lab and Zero G Guide Pro? Would I be advised to wait for the new Maestrale RS to come out in the fall for a boot of this stiffness, or pick up a pair of these for a good deal now that they are discontinued? I am 6’4″ and 210 lbs and I really like the stiffness of the MTN Lab but the RS fits my foot much better.
Travis,
Though I’ve not skied either of the boots you mention, my sense from our reviews is that the old Maestrale RS was not quite as stiff.
However, the new version, which is leaps and bounds better (there’s a review by Sam Shaheen), is probably in the ballpark for flex there.
Anybody know if I can buy a replacement tongue for these boots? And more importantly, where? Mine has broken in half (foam separated right at the ankle although the material around it has kept it from exploding completely) and it’s a bitch to keep them in place.
Max,
It sounds like the tongue you’re talking about is the tongue in the liner; if so, Scarpa is still selling their Proflex G liner, which is the stock option for the old Maestrale RS series.
Cheers,
David
What bonding did you use? Thanks for the review!