Like most skis in its class, the AMPerage is really good on groomers, and especially when those groomers are well-groomed. The short, rockered tail is a detriment when things get bumped and chopped up – if you lose contact between the tail and the snow for a second, it feels a bit difficult to get the skis tracking again. But on consistent groomers, the torsional stiffness of the AMPerage will allow you to set an edge and fly.
The previous week at A-Basin, I dropped into Gentling’s Glade off of Zuma Cornice for some tree skiing in 6-12” of fresh. This is where the AMPerage really shines: soft snow, tight trees. SO easy to pivot. You can throw these things completely sideways if you want and ski perpendicular to the slope (not saying you’ll want to, but you certainly can.)
From Gentling’s Glade, I dropped down into Crags and found an untracked 6” on top of crust. The AMPerage handled this perfectly, and I was impressed at how well it handled the firmer, variable layer beneath the soft stuff.
The AMPerage is most at home in trees, in light, untracked snow, on groomers, and in bumps. Like most skis in the fun-shape class, it is not a fan of chop – you’ll get through chop by skiing bases flat, not by arcing big turns and blowing through. Skiing choppy lines on Lower East Wall, I needed to ski upright and centered, bases flat, or else I’d get bucked around a bit.
We hiked up North Pole, and dropped the Narrow North Pole line. The snow was packed but soft below the icy entrance, moderately bumped up with great coverage on the fairly steep, often rocky chute. The run is set up for medium-range, driving turns, and that just isn’t where this ski is at its best.
But to be clear, hardpacked steeps are not a strong suit in general of fun-shaped skis with short, rockered tails. There is a delicate interplay among these skis’ tail rocker, sidecut, and flex pattern. If the flex pattern tapers soft too early, the tail will wash. If the sidecut and and rocker profile don’t match up, the tails will also wash. If none of these factors line up, well then the ski sort of sucks.
On the AMPerage and the S7, the tails tend to wash on steeps if and when you start turning the tips of the skis greater than 10pm or 2am on the clock face (think Driver’s Ed: hands on the wheel at 10 and 2).
For a couple of reason, the DPS Wailer 112RP handles these conditions better than the AMPerage (the 112RP’s tail does happen to be 4mm wider and has a fairly unique paddle shape…), and, in my experience, the Rossi S7 performed worse in similar conditions at Alta on High Rustler than the AMPerage did on Narrow North Pole. (For the record, I wouldn’t be against wider and slightly stiffer tails on either the S7 or the AMPerage.)
Next, we headed across the East Wall Traverse over to the mellow, open face of Land of Giants to try to open things up. But carving big, fast turns in wet spring snow isn’t what this ski wanted to do, and I found myself instead making either short, quick turns, or just running bases flat and popping off stuff – which was certainly fun.
The AMPerage performed well on A-Basin’s moderately bumped up West Wall, especially when skied from a centered, relaxed and balanced stance.
Expert, advanced, and intermediate skiers who stay out of the backseat will enjoy the AMPerage, and I would recommend it over the Rossignol S7. In short, I think the Amperage is a very good fun-shape ski, and a better S7.
If you are looking for a really, really fun soft snow ski that is exceptionally good in powder, trees, and soft bumps, yet is also very good on groomers, you ought to seriously consider the AMPerage. Kudos to Black Diamond for making a lightweight, torsionally stiff ski that is going to increase the fun factor on the mountain for a whole lot of skiers.
One skier, BLISTER reviewer Andrew Gregovich, has already found this to be true. Click here to read his “2nd Look” review of the AMPerage, where he will say more about its swing weight, powder and mank performance, and capabilities in the air.
Great reviews! Have you had a chance to ski the Volkl Shiro? If so, what do you think?
-JB
JB – I’ve got some late but good news – we’ll finally be getting on the Shiro in the next couple of weeks. Stay tuned for an announcement about that in the next couple of days.
Thanks, JB. We haven’t yet reviewed the Shiro, but it is on our list for this season. Thanks!
As they are the most important differences between the Sickle and the Amperage. The sickle has better performance in groomers?
Waldo: I really didn’t get to spend much time with the Sickle on groomers, but Jason Hutchins did, and he loved them there. As I say in the review, the only shortcoming of the Amperage on groomers is when the groomers get rough, and the tapered tail of the Amperage loses contact. The Sickle doesn’t have a tapered tail, and so more easily and consistently engages the tail’s edge. Jason definitely prefers the Sickle to the Amperage on groomers, and he’s probably right. (But the Amperage is still no slouch.)
Excellent review! Love your site BTW!!! I’m on the fence right now for a BD AMPerage and an Armada JJ… skiing mostly Canadian Rockies (Louise, Kicking Horse, Sunshine, etc… Contiental Snowpack) . I’m 5’11” 155lbs … I guess I could consider myseld an advanced Intermediate… a Snowboard convert :)) Skiing K2 Coomback 175 and K2 Backlash 167 (too short for me!). Looking for a POW Ski that floats, forgiving as I’m not an expert yet ;) … also, was wondering about sizing! My coomback is slightly rockered on the TIP and feel good, but those two are heavily rockered … does 185 would be too much of a ski for a guy like me ? Thanks in advance!
Michael: honestly, you’d probably be happy with either the Amperage or the JJ. And you should absolutely get the 185 whichever way you go – these are two incredibly easy skis, do not go shorter. (And the JJ measures shorter than 185 anyway.)
These skis have many of the same virtues. I like the tail of the JJ better than the tail of the Amperage, but my recommendation to you would be to go with the Amperage over the JJ, primarily because of where you’re skiing. Due to the more forward mount of the JJ, I found that they wanted to dive in deeper, wet, heavy snow. (I found the same thing to be true of the 195cm AK JJs). I didn’t get a comparable tip dive on the Amperage. Alternatively, you could try mounting the JJs back 1 or 2 centimeters, and it would help the cause.
So yeah, you’ll likely enjoy either, but I’d have to give the nod to the Amperage for what you’re describing.
Just ordered a set of these puppies, and I’m going to mount them with Dynafits for AT use. I’ve never had a ski so aggressively rockered, and have always mounted my bindings with the boot center on the centerline on the skis.
You guys complained about the tails feeling short with a 1cm forward mount, and BD says up to +2.5cm is fine. What would the pros and cons of a forward mount be in terms of handling characteristics on a ski like this?
Oh, and as for me, I’m an intermediate/advanced skier, 5’9″ and 155lbs who likes to catch some air but doesn’t ski switch if I don’t have to. I went with 175’s because I already have a pair of 184 Salomon Sentinels for the days I get to ski open faces and bowls flat out.
Hi Jonathan,
I have been reading your reviews alot lately and getting a great understanding now where you’re coming from in your reviews. I always am very critical because of the size differences with reviewers but yours are so comprehensive it makes it easier to get a {feel} reading what they might be like on my feet with 225lbs 6ft above them:]
Here’s my Q to you and my thinking out loud. I seem to be leaning toward the Black Diamond Amp for 2012. I’m a little concerned with the tails. I’m also torn between this ski and the Zealot for my all round ski. I’m mounting the MFD All Time with 916 Steels. I figure the plate might make the tail better {stiffer} for my weight in a 185 on the Amp? Ill ski mostly small resorts in any condition with the one ski. Skin on some weekdays only on occasion. Ill ski 50+ days at the resort. I live in Northern BC. I have last years EP,s for really big days when we get 2-6ft over night. For a foot and under powder and lots of Crud busting chopped powder later in the days, with a fair amount of groomer skiing and harder groomed surfaces, what ski do you think with this setup would be best? I like the Zealot for my racer edging background style but the playfulness also from what I see the Amp has as long as edging with the rolling of the ankles will still be there on hard packed?. Plus the 115 seems like the better girth for powder than the 110 of the Zealot. I imagine the Zealot to be the better carver and crud buster though. If you put on 40 lbs what setup of the two would you want to ski as your every day ski in conditions I described?
Thank you and Regards I value your input.
James
Hi James, to be honest, at your size and weight, and given that you say that you want this ski for “crud busting,” and carving, I’m not sure that I would be looking at either the 185 Amp or the 182 Zealot. Crud busting isn’t really the strength of either.
The 192 Zealot – which unfortunately, we have yet to test – is supposed to be stiffer ski than the 182, and at your size, I could see you going that way. I just think you would overwhelm the 182 Zealot, and the Amperage is more of a fun ski than a crud busting carving machine. (You might also take a look at Will Brown’s review of the 191 Volkl Katana, too.)
But yes, if you are sticking with Black Diamond, for your size and weight, and for what you say your looking for, I think it’s the 192 Zealot.
These sound fun. We’d emailed about the Salomon Rocker 2. Can anyone compare the two of these?
Hi, Sam – we’re hoping to get on the Rocker 2 next weekend, so stay tuned.
i´m using the AMP since the beginning of this season. with my dynafit radical FT and the factor 130 it´s also my touring setup. what i like most is the easy turning, the tip which seems to work even in the worst crusty conditions you can imagine and that it can also take a lot of speed (in soft conditions only).
of course they work on groomers too, but that´s not why i got them. for me the AMP is my all around weapon, as long as conditions are somehow soft.
Any suggestions on the mount position for an “old school” 35-year-old rider? My instinct was to go center-mount…bad idea? I want enough tail to recover if I get backseat coming off a 20-30-footer (the biggest I go these days), but don’t ride or land switch very often. I’m 6′ 165lbs and just ordered the 185s. Will be mounting w/ Marker Dukes, 80% resort pow day ski / 20% slackcountry (have a separate touring setup).
Appreciate it!
Hi Mark – going with a true center mount certainly doesn’t sound very “old school”, but I don’t remember how far back the recommended line actually is from true center. But Andrew and I both liked the AMPerage at +1, and I think you could pretty safely go to +2 (pure speculation), I can’t say that you could “pretty safely” go with a true center mount.
Thanks Jonathan. I meant BD-recommended not a true center mount. Will probably go +1. They just arrived today…just in time for a week of pow!
Nice, Mark, let us know how it goes.
UPDATE…
Rode 10-15 days on the Amps once winter finally arrived in Tahoe (March/April), all in-bounds at Squaw-Pine. I’m on the 185s w/ Marker Dukes @ factory recommended mount. Had considered the JJs, Super 7, Bibby Pro, and Amps, but the decision was made for me when I found the Amps online for $400.
Thank you Jonathan and Andrew for two spot-on reviews. Every day I spent on the Amps in different conditions/terrain I got flashbacks to snippets of your reviews, and basically agree with everything you wrote. Not much to add, but a few things I would echo…
PROS:
Huge sweet spot. Super versatile and super fun on pow days. They’re great at low and high speeds, making short- or long-radius turns. The tips refuse to dive. More than once I landed way too far forward from 10-20 footers onto flat tranny in 1-2′ of fresh, fully expecting to go over the handlebars. Instead the Amps gently nudged me back upright. In fresh snow the relatively short/soft/narrow tail didn’t bother me, although I’m not a tail-gunner and rarely ride switch. When I did land backseat there was enough tail to stand back up.
CONS:
Their biggest weakness is heavy chop. Completely agree with the review that in firm chop they prefer to be ridden flat rather than on edge. That was my biggest disappointment because I love blasting GS rails through chop. Especially for Tahoe/PNW skiers I’d hesitate to bust these out more than a couple days after a storm, unless conditions stayed unusually cold/light. That said, I was surprised how well they carved on groomers. Given the soft/short/narrow tail, they’re also not the most confidence-inspiring making steep turns with thin cover. But they’re great for most of Squaw’s typical short, steep lines (air-to-straightline or straightline-to-air).
Jonathan,
I appreciate your review of the Amp. I’m a teleskier, and when I have to parallel I tend to tail steer. It sounds like this might not be the best ski for me. My first impression when I flexed it was – maybe too soft in the tail. I was ready to buy a Wailer 112 before they sold out. You mentioned that it may be firmer in the tail than the Amp. Would you recommend the Wailer or the Amp? BTW- my AT friends love the Amp & can’t say enough good things about it, so I was going with their praises until I read your review.
Thanks,
Gary
Hi, Gary – I’d definitely be saying more than I know if I were to weigh in on the AMPerage vs. Wailer 112RP for Tele skiers. My best advice would be to read our review of the 112RP / NTN setup and see what you think. The main issue for me as an alpine skier isn’t that the AMPerage ski is too soft, it’s that it is so rockered. I know many people who tele on the 112RP and like it quite a bit, including our reviewer Robin. Unfortunately, Robin hasn’t had the chance to ski the AMPerage….
Hey guys.
Thanks for the review. I was looking to get these in 175. As i am around 5ft6, and about 130 pounds. i would be skiing these as about a 50/50 resort/backcountry ski at places like louise, sunshine, fernie, kicking horse and more. Then the backcountry. that kind of just gives you an idea of what i ski. the only thing i was wondering about is how it would handle abit of chop, and there will be at the resorts i will be skiing. Thanks for your input.
Evan
Hi, Evan – I discuss the AMPerage’s chop performance on page 2 of this review, not sure whether you saw that or not. Also, see Mark B’s remarks in the Comment Section about how he found the AMPerage to handle chop. Thanks.
Hey,
i am wondering which would be a better ski for me,
the armada jj,
or the bd amperage. I will be skiing 50/50 backcountry/resort, and am intermediate-advance. I need a ski that will ski anything from the odd groomer to chop, to powder, and be light enough to tour. i will also be mounting with the naxo/dynastar freeride binding.
thanks, evan
Jonathan
Would appreciate your views. I am 5’8″ weigh around 170 lbs. I am a fairly aggressive skier and ski the whole mountain so looking for something fairly versatile as principally a back country ski.
I skied the 175 Amperage today with the binding mounted 1cm forward of the mid-spot. From the reviews, I thought that I was going to love the ski but I found it too short and too soft (even though I tend to favour a softer rather than stiffer ski) and found it difficult to really drive the ski. Would going to the 185 length solve the problem – I assumed that given my height and weight that that length would be too much as I like an easy turning ski? Or should I be looking at a different ski?
Thanks
Hey Roddy – at your size, I would have still recommended the 185cm. But I can’t say whether that will definitely provide the stability you were looking for, and this is a surfy ski – not really a ski designed to be driven hard. Honestly, safest thing would be to spend more time looking at our reviews of skis in the ~115 range. If you don’t think the 185 AMPerage will do it for you, then you might consider the DPS Wailer 112, or the Atomic Automatic. Still soft-ish skis, but they might be closer to what you’re looking for.
If you had to choose between the Blizzard Gunsmoke or the BD Amperage, which would you prefer?
You should try the DPS Wailer 112 as well. I ended up buying that rather than the Amperage and absolutely love it.
Sam: I just replied to Roddy before seeing his comment about the Wailer 112. (Glad you followed my belated advice, Roddy, and that it worked out for you.)
Personally, I would choose the Amperage over the GunSmoke. While I wasn’t in love with the tail of the Amperage, going forward on it helped a lot, and I understand that BD now recommends a more forward mount position than they originally did. I didn’t love the flex pattern of the GunSmoke – the tail felt too soft, something that Blizzard is addressing for the next iteration of the GunSmoke.
So the AMP’s 185cm For a dude in golden b.c. @ 6’2 210lbs loves steep and deep should mount them +1.5 ?? to start? on Dynafit ft12 with a plate, or did I buy to soft a ski? haven’t mounted yet, will wait for response but just the whole setup this weekend. Lookin for sonmw outside insight ! thanks love BLISTER GEAR
Thanks, Bailey. I’d double check with BD to see how far away they are currently recommending the mount. And I don’t know whether you’ll find the ski to be too soft—I don’t know what other skis you like and don’t like. And if you’re keeping these in fresh snow, I imagine you could like them quite a bit. If you’re expecting them to shine in firm or variable conditions, then that’s a bigger question mark. I think you’ll like the AMP in deep, not sure what you’ll think about it in steep and less than deep….
I am seriously considering the AMP’s, I ski primarly in New England (VT), stick to trees mostly. I am 5’10, 205, athletic, and an advanced skier. Do you think these would hold up in New England?
Thanks I’ll let you know..