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Looks like a very cool ski, and a fun daily driver here in UT.
2 seasons back I put some dukes on my 190 bibby’s and due to hole conflicts, I was forced a few cm forward. I liked being more centered on the ski in any consistent conditions but once things got mixed up they were a real handful with all that stiff tail back there. Ended up moving the dukes to a different ski to put my boots back on the line.
Been thinking about a more centered ski ever since. Like, one that’s designed to be centered.
So you think these things would do well around -2 or -3 from center?
Odd that the recommended mount is so far back. 7.5 on a symmetrical ski?!?
I guess that’s what happens when old school Austrians make a ski like this.
Symmetrical ski? “Da” Tip rocker? “Da” Tail rocker? “eeerrrrm ok Da” Center mount? “NEIN!!!!”
Also, when you say relatively soft tips and tails, are we talking like s7 soft or k2 [insert name of flopstick model here] soft?
Hi Al,
I do believe they will perform well with a mount further forward. It might take a little bit of time to get the feel of a more centered mount with less tip in front of you and more tail to push around. Personally I would recommend staying in the range you mentioned, so you don’t lose too much of the all-mtn/all-condition performance these skis have.
As for the flex, no they are not floppy soft, and as I mention they ramp up nicely as you work your way towards the center of the ski or into the flex. With a center mount you won’t be rallying down the deep chop we get here in UT while throwing everything you’ve got into the tips like you can on your Bibby’s. With a balanced stance though, you should be able to conquer anything with a mount around -2/-3.
Rad, thanks man. If you see a Sasquatch/Husky Jesus on a pair of these at Alta this season, say hi, It’s probably me.
I was wondering how well this ski will do dodging tighter trees on both pow days and the times in between those big dumps of snow. Also wondering what you think about mounting a touring binding on them and skinning to some backcountry lines. Is this better for shorter or longer tours?
In powder you will be fine in tight trees. As conditions firm you will notice they are not the most energetic or quickest turning skis ever, but at slower to medium speeds you will have no trouble navigating tight spots.
They would be fine as a touring ski, definitely for shorter length tours. Overall, with your areas of concern I think you might prefer the Praxis MVP or Rossignol Sickle. Both perform better in tight trees as well as touring.
I bought a pair on the strength of your review and because I found a great deal. I mounted them at -5.5 as kind of a compromise between the AM line and your preferred spot. There haven’t really been many resort powder days here in Tahoe but so far so good. They seemed ready to hold their line in very grabby, saturated heavy snow during the last wet storm. That mank wasn’t doing anybody any favors so good news on the stability front.
Out of curiosity, have you had a chance to compare them to the 190 BMX 108s?
Josh,
I haven’t been on the BMX 108’s yet, but hopefully soon!
Hey guys, just following up on Josh’s comment above – I’m really curious how these stack up against the BMX108. Any insight or first hand experience yet? Thanks!
Hey Matt,
Great question and one I was asking myself late last season. First off I think Jason feedback was spot on on this ski and largely echo’s my own experience. Oddly enough I also skied the FX104 around the same time and again came to similar conclusions. Both the FX104 and XX110 are skis that I would buy but it came down to the quiver and what would give me the most usable quiver of 2 (for the time being).
My other ski is a Kastle MX78 in 176. I bought the BMX 108 in 188 (I’m 6’1″ 185lbs, level 7) and have almost zero regrets. My take on it vs the XX110 is it is a more traditional feel and is a bit beefier more stable ski for hauling butt. That said it is remarkable quick in any 3d snow and is the best of the more traditional 105-110 skis I have owned or skied (eg Gotama, Katana, Elan Olympus..). It’s one of the most well rounded skis I have ever skied and would encourage you to check comments o EpicSki and ignore most mag reviews. It is not just an big mtn bruiser. It does lose out to the XX110 in tight trees and slarving and is slightly more demanding of the skier though. If you want to ski a lot of trees, ski the park or switch from time to time the XX110 is a great choice. If you don’t then I would say the BMX108 is a better choice.
FX104 vs BMX108 – FX is a wide side bounds big mountain ski and would be an awesome mid quiver option if you had a carver/crud buster and a pow day ski. The FX takes more skill and input to ski well than any other Kastle I have skied and would offer up that its meant for Level 8 and up skiers who will really get the most from it and not fight it. The BMX 108 is more damp, more playful and forgiving and the XX110 more forgiving again.
Jason I really like your reviews and I think a lot of folks would appreciate your take on the BMX108. Hope you can get some time on a pair soon.
Cheers,
CG
Thanks for this and all of your other great reviews – you really rock! Now to the West. I just ordered the West and the James (XX90) and am not entirely sure which one to keep or keep both. Here in Bavaria we have 5-20″ inches of deep snow conditions on not too steep hills. For this I think the James would be perfect. Also as I am starting out as a freestyler (ex-racer), I think the James would be easier to learn tricks on.
Now the West (XX110) would be perfect for Austrian alps conditions where there are lots of untracked snow resorts (they specialise in depp pow, they claim). However a trip to the alps does also cost ressources, so I think I might ski the more smaller resorts in Bavaria more often for the time beeing. I ordered the West in 190cm (I am 6″, 190 lbs) and wonder if it wouldn’t be overkill for these smaller resorts with max. 5-10″ fresh and if it wouldn’t be a harder ski to learn tricks on in the park.
Then a totally different question, I wonder if the Colby XX80 with its 80mm underfoot and no rocker would handle well in 5-10″ of fresh. I fear as an ex-racer I would overpower the XX90 or the West on-piste and the full-camber of the Colby might offer better stability. Best regards, Stephan.
I forgot to mention, I also wonder if 190cm (187 straight) of the West wouldn’t be too long for a beginner freestyler with 6″/190lb. Cheers.
I am 6’4″ and 240 pounds and looking for a ski for bumps, trees, powder, and groomed.
Any suggestions for a big guy? I ski some old Gotama’s currently with no rocker and 103 under foot. I Need something better in the powder.
I ski Colorado ABasin, Breck, Keystone, and Vail. Is this the ski for me? Any suggestions?
Need a ski that works for leading and chasing my freerider kids to hell and back.
I have the 2013 Colby and what is not to like about them. I’m now 46 and a former racer. I still love to make quick turns and let them run out. These skis are stable and a blast on all types of terrain and snow. I have them center mounted which changes the feel on the edges but don’t go back even a CM. Ride well! Cheers from the Old Guy that doesn’t want to give it up!!!
Looks like a very cool ski, and a fun daily driver here in UT.
2 seasons back I put some dukes on my 190 bibby’s and due to hole conflicts, I was forced a few cm forward. I liked being more centered on the ski in any consistent conditions but once things got mixed up they were a real handful with all that stiff tail back there. Ended up moving the dukes to a different ski to put my boots back on the line.
Been thinking about a more centered ski ever since. Like, one that’s designed to be centered.
So you think these things would do well around -2 or -3 from center?
Odd that the recommended mount is so far back. 7.5 on a symmetrical ski?!?
I guess that’s what happens when old school Austrians make a ski like this.
Symmetrical ski? “Da” Tip rocker? “Da” Tail rocker? “eeerrrrm ok Da” Center mount? “NEIN!!!!”
Also, when you say relatively soft tips and tails, are we talking like s7 soft or k2 [insert name of flopstick model here] soft?
Hi Al,
I do believe they will perform well with a mount further forward. It might take a little bit of time to get the feel of a more centered mount with less tip in front of you and more tail to push around. Personally I would recommend staying in the range you mentioned, so you don’t lose too much of the all-mtn/all-condition performance these skis have.
As for the flex, no they are not floppy soft, and as I mention they ramp up nicely as you work your way towards the center of the ski or into the flex. With a center mount you won’t be rallying down the deep chop we get here in UT while throwing everything you’ve got into the tips like you can on your Bibby’s. With a balanced stance though, you should be able to conquer anything with a mount around -2/-3.
Rad, thanks man. If you see a Sasquatch/Husky Jesus on a pair of these at Alta this season, say hi, It’s probably me.
I was wondering how well this ski will do dodging tighter trees on both pow days and the times in between those big dumps of snow. Also wondering what you think about mounting a touring binding on them and skinning to some backcountry lines. Is this better for shorter or longer tours?
In powder you will be fine in tight trees. As conditions firm you will notice they are not the most energetic or quickest turning skis ever, but at slower to medium speeds you will have no trouble navigating tight spots.
They would be fine as a touring ski, definitely for shorter length tours. Overall, with your areas of concern I think you might prefer the Praxis MVP or Rossignol Sickle. Both perform better in tight trees as well as touring.
I bought a pair on the strength of your review and because I found a great deal. I mounted them at -5.5 as kind of a compromise between the AM line and your preferred spot. There haven’t really been many resort powder days here in Tahoe but so far so good. They seemed ready to hold their line in very grabby, saturated heavy snow during the last wet storm. That mank wasn’t doing anybody any favors so good news on the stability front.
Out of curiosity, have you had a chance to compare them to the 190 BMX 108s?
Josh,
I haven’t been on the BMX 108’s yet, but hopefully soon!
Hey guys, just following up on Josh’s comment above – I’m really curious how these stack up against the BMX108. Any insight or first hand experience yet? Thanks!
Hey Matt,
Great question and one I was asking myself late last season. First off I think Jason feedback was spot on on this ski and largely echo’s my own experience. Oddly enough I also skied the FX104 around the same time and again came to similar conclusions. Both the FX104 and XX110 are skis that I would buy but it came down to the quiver and what would give me the most usable quiver of 2 (for the time being).
My other ski is a Kastle MX78 in 176. I bought the BMX 108 in 188 (I’m 6’1″ 185lbs, level 7) and have almost zero regrets. My take on it vs the XX110 is it is a more traditional feel and is a bit beefier more stable ski for hauling butt. That said it is remarkable quick in any 3d snow and is the best of the more traditional 105-110 skis I have owned or skied (eg Gotama, Katana, Elan Olympus..). It’s one of the most well rounded skis I have ever skied and would encourage you to check comments o EpicSki and ignore most mag reviews. It is not just an big mtn bruiser. It does lose out to the XX110 in tight trees and slarving and is slightly more demanding of the skier though. If you want to ski a lot of trees, ski the park or switch from time to time the XX110 is a great choice. If you don’t then I would say the BMX108 is a better choice.
FX104 vs BMX108 – FX is a wide side bounds big mountain ski and would be an awesome mid quiver option if you had a carver/crud buster and a pow day ski. The FX takes more skill and input to ski well than any other Kastle I have skied and would offer up that its meant for Level 8 and up skiers who will really get the most from it and not fight it. The BMX 108 is more damp, more playful and forgiving and the XX110 more forgiving again.
Jason I really like your reviews and I think a lot of folks would appreciate your take on the BMX108. Hope you can get some time on a pair soon.
Cheers,
CG
Thanks for this and all of your other great reviews – you really rock! Now to the West. I just ordered the West and the James (XX90) and am not entirely sure which one to keep or keep both. Here in Bavaria we have 5-20″ inches of deep snow conditions on not too steep hills. For this I think the James would be perfect. Also as I am starting out as a freestyler (ex-racer), I think the James would be easier to learn tricks on.
Now the West (XX110) would be perfect for Austrian alps conditions where there are lots of untracked snow resorts (they specialise in depp pow, they claim). However a trip to the alps does also cost ressources, so I think I might ski the more smaller resorts in Bavaria more often for the time beeing. I ordered the West in 190cm (I am 6″, 190 lbs) and wonder if it wouldn’t be overkill for these smaller resorts with max. 5-10″ fresh and if it wouldn’t be a harder ski to learn tricks on in the park.
Then a totally different question, I wonder if the Colby XX80 with its 80mm underfoot and no rocker would handle well in 5-10″ of fresh. I fear as an ex-racer I would overpower the XX90 or the West on-piste and the full-camber of the Colby might offer better stability. Best regards, Stephan.
I forgot to mention, I also wonder if 190cm (187 straight) of the West wouldn’t be too long for a beginner freestyler with 6″/190lb. Cheers.
I am 6’4″ and 240 pounds and looking for a ski for bumps, trees, powder, and groomed.
Any suggestions for a big guy? I ski some old Gotama’s currently with no rocker and 103 under foot. I Need something better in the powder.
I ski Colorado ABasin, Breck, Keystone, and Vail. Is this the ski for me? Any suggestions?
Need a ski that works for leading and chasing my freerider kids to hell and back.
I have the 2013 Colby and what is not to like about them. I’m now 46 and a former racer. I still love to make quick turns and let them run out. These skis are stable and a blast on all types of terrain and snow. I have them center mounted which changes the feel on the edges but don’t go back even a CM. Ride well! Cheers from the Old Guy that doesn’t want to give it up!!!