2018-2019 Moment Commander 108

Blister reviews the Moment Commander 108
Moment Commander 108

Ski: 2018-2019 Moment Commander 108, 188 cm

Available Lengths: 168, 178, 188 cm

Blister’s Measured Tip-to-Tail Length: 187.0 cm

Stated Weight per Ski: 2015 grams

Blister’s Measured Weight per Ski: 2013 & 2013 grams

Stated Dimensions: 138-108-124 mm

Blister’s Measured Dimensions: 138.1-108.1-124.8 mm

Stated Sidecut Radius: 21.0 meters

Measured Tip & Tail Splay (ski decambered): 51 mm / 36 mm

Measured Traditional Camber Underfoot: ~4 mm

Core: Aspen/Ash + Titanal (2-layers) + Carbon Stringers + Fiberglass Laminate

Base: 4001 Durasurf

Factory Recommended Mount Point: -8.5 cm from center; 85.0 cm from tail

Intro

There are very few skis that we’ve received more emails about than the new Commander 98 and 108 from Moment. The Commander series is Moment’s new “freeride” line that replaces their Tahoe 96 and 106, and … these Commanders are unlike anything we’ve reviewed.

So we’ll be getting both the Commander 98 and 108 on snow as soon as possible, but for now, let’s take a look at the Commander 108 to see what’s so unique about this ski.

Here’s what Moment says about the new Commander 108:

“The Commander 108 is here to fill—overfill, maybe—the void left behind by the Tahoe 106. We started with a stable foundation: a full aspen / ash core, minimal tail rocker, and a directional shape. Then we added agility in the form of multi-radius sidecut and tip rocker. Finally, because we’re slightly unhinged, we slipped two sheets of Titanal into the layup. The result is a bipolar mashup of modern all-mountain ski manageability and full-blown charger confidence—a ski that can slash and slip through tight situations or blow SLOW signs off their posts, depending on your mood. So, whether you’re straightlining Elevator Shaft, rallying chop in The Slot, or just ripping groomers at pass-pulling speeds, the Commander can handle anything.”

There’s a lot going on here. Words like “stable,” “full-blown charger,” and “straightlining” are getting mixed in with “agility,” “slash and slip,” and “manageability.”

Those aren’t typically characteristics that can all be used to define a single ski, but when you start to really stare at the Commander 108’s specs, Moment’s phrasing starts to make a bit more sense.

Shape / Rocker Profile

There are lots of surprises here.

  • Surprise #1: That Taper

The Commander 108 has a significant amount of tip and tail taper compared to many other skis in its class. The tips and tails of the Commander 108 actually look like they start tapering earlier than the 118mm-underfoot Moment Wildcat.

While that taper should make the Commander 108 feel more maneuverable and easy to release, skis that are supposed to provide “full-blown charger confidence” don’t often have this much taper (particularly in the tails), since lots of taper can sometimes hamper stability at high speeds and / or in variable conditions. So if you were expecting this Commander 108 to be your typical, straight-up, one-dimensional charger, well this isn’t the shape that defines that genre. That said, if you tend to prefer less one-dimensional and / or more playful skis, then you have reason to be excited about this ski’s shape (FWIW, I fall into that second category, and I’m extremely excited about the ski).

  • Surprise #2: That Tail Rocker

The Commander 108 has a fairly deep tail rocker line compared to many similarly wide directional skis. Along with the tail taper, this makes us curious about (1) how loose and pivoty the Commander 108 will feel, and (2) how well it’ll hold an edge when things are really firm. But before you jump to the conclusion that this is basically a narrow pow ski, check out Moment’s next surprise…

  • Surprise #3: That Tip Splay

This ski has very low tip splay — lower than the vast majority of ~108mm-wide skis we’ve reviewed (with the Volkl 100Eight being a notable exception).

One potential upside to that could be increased firm-snow performance — since the Commander 108’s tips don’t rise very high, you should be able to engage a lot of the ski’s length when you tip it over on edge.

The potential downside could come when you’re driving the tips through moguls, deeper snow, and particularly deep variable snow, when those lower tips could get bogged down.

Flex Pattern

Here’s how we’d characterize the flex pattern of the Commander 108:

Tips: 8
Shovels: 8.5-9
In Front of Toe Piece: 9
Underfoot: 9.5
Behind the Heel Piece: 9-8.5
Tails: 8-8.5

Here’s what Jonathan Ellsworth said about those numbers: “I love this flex pattern, and wouldn’t be mad if more skis had it. It’s strong (but not unbendable) and even better, it’s extremely consistent. Flex the tails, then flip the ski around and flex the tips, and there is not a lot of difference. We’ll see how this plays out on snow, but I’m expecting that this round, consistent flex pattern will provide a pretty big sweet spot to stand on.”

Bonus Surprise: That Weight

The Commander 108 is very light for a ski with two sheets of metal.

Of the skis we’ve reviewed, the only other ski in this waist width that has two layers of titanal and is lighter than the Commander 108 is the G3 SENDr, which is a dedicated touring ski. The only other ski in the “All-Mountain Chargers” section of our 18/19 Winter Buyer’s Guide that comes close to the weight of the Commander 108 is the Faction Dictator 3.0.

Compared to the Tahoe 106 it replaced, the Commander 108 comes in a little more than 200 grams lighter per ski … and yet the Commander 108 has two sheets of metal, but the Tahoe 106 had none.

And to really put this into perspective, the 188 cm Commander 108 is a bit lighter than the 188 cm Rossignol Soul 7 HD — a ski that nobody ever accused of being a charger. (Ok, well at some point Powder or Freeskier or somebody probably did call it a charger in one of their buyer’s guides, but we assume by now that you know better.)

So again, if you expected this ski to be your typical, traditional, heavier charger, well it ain’t. But if you’re like me and prefer lighter, more playful skis that may provide a little? / some? / a lot? of the stability and the damp feel that metal skis are known for, then you should be even more excited right now.

For reference, here are a few of our measured weights (per ski in grams) for a few notable skis:

1848 & 1903 Line Sick Day 104, 186 cm (17/18, 18/19)
1923 & 1956 DPS Alchemist Wailer 106, 189 cm (17/18, 18/19)
1996 & 2012 Dynastar Legend X106, 188 cm (17/18, 18/19)
2013 & 2013 Moment Commander 108, 188 cm (18/19)
2022 & 2047 Faction Dictator 3.0, 186 cm (17/18, 18/19)
2026 & 2056 Black Diamond Boundary Pro 107, 184 cm (17/18, 18/19)
2030 & 2039 Rossignol Soul 7 HD, 188 cm (17/18, 18/19)
2182 & 2218 Nordica Enforcer 110, 185 cm (17/18, 18/19)
2227 & 2249 Moment Tahoe 106, 186 cm (17/18)
2283 & 2290 ON3P Wrenegade 108, 189 cm (18/19)
2312 & 2386 Prior Husume, 188 cm (17/18, 18/19)
2318 & 2341 J Skis The Metal, 186 cm (17/18, 18/19)
2376 & 2393 Blizzard Cochise, 185 cm (17/18, 18/19)

Some Comparisons

(1) Faction Dictator, 186 cm

This ski comes in at a similar weight to the Commander 108, but has shallower rocker lines and a stiffer tail. Based on that, we’re curious to see if the Commander 108 could be thought of as a more forgiving, versatile, and / or playful version of the Dictator 3.0

(2) Dynastar Legend X106, 188 cm

Like the Dictator 3.0, the Legend X106 is also light and very stiff, but it has a much more tapered shape than the Dictator, and the Legend X106 has even more drastic tip and tail taper than the Commander 108. But the Legend X106 also has shallower rocker lines, so we’re not really sure how these will compare since they do share a few similarities, but then contrast significantly in other areas.

(3) DPS Alchemist Wailer 106, 189 cm

This is an interesting one, mostly due to the Wailer A106’s weight — it’s around 70 grams lighter per ski than the Commander 108. But the Wailer A106 is still a very strong ski, and one that reviewer Paul Forward really likes. Could the Commander 108 be thought of as a Wailer A106 with a less traditional mount point?

Bottom Line (For Now)

Like the many people that have emailed us about this ski, the Moment Commander 108 has our full attention, and we’re very excited to get it on snow soon. Stay tuned for updates.

NEXT: Rocker Profile Pics

12 thoughts on “2018-2019 Moment Commander 108

  1. I have the Belafonte to compliment my Bibby

    Once my Belafonte is dead (hopefully a long time form now) how does this ski compare? Obviously you need some days on it.

    At least the Bibby is now the Wildcat. If they ever stop that ski Ill burn up my plastic stocking up.

  2. I was fortunate enough to take a 188 108 to Chile in early August for 1 week. Took the Commander and 185 Cochise and after switching over to Commander 1st day, I didn’t switch back. Yes, the lower tip splay does make it edge well on firm snow, and it is very agile, easy to pivot and quick on edge. Was concerned about weight, haven’t typically liked lighter skis, 6’4 210, and coming off Cochise, thought I might’ve made a mistake. But didn’t ski like a really light ski. Not great conditions, but good enough to know I really like the ski, and I’ve owned or tried almost everything in the class. I would think that guys would want to size up rather than size down.

  3. I could live with the tip taper, but that tail taper looks awful, and it still baffles me they decided to make a ski of this size and dimensions that light. Since it is clearly not a charger, despite the fact that the ski it replaced is a charger, I guess the question for the Moment faithful and the OG Belafonte crew is, what in Moment’s lineup do we ski now….. because I surely have no effing clue. Or maybe we dont go to Moment for a charger ski anymore.

    And dont they already make a more “playful” everyday ski? Yes, its the PB&J.

    • You’re making a lot of assumptions about a ski that you have never been on…

      We didn’t intentionally shoot for this weight or even use lighter materials to bring the weight down from a previous build. The weight was a result of all the materials and builds we tested which achieved the best results.

      With its Aspen/Ash damp wood core, custom fiberglass/carbon triaxial weave, 2 layers of Titanal and UHMW Sidewall it makes for a really smooth ride. I wouldn’t call the Commander 108 “playful”…

      Is it an old school straight charger? No.

      Does it hold its own again the Bonafide, Cochise, Enforcer, Metal, Kore, etc? We think so.

      We all love the Belafonte and before we even started designing the CAD for the ski we made the choice that this ski would not go to market unless it met the following design criteria:

      A) It had to charge just as hard or harder than the Belafonte
      B) Be more agile in tight spots than the Belafonte
      C) Stay quiet at high speed
      D) Be Tyler Curles (local ripper/athlete/employee) new favorite ski since he rips big lines at Squaw and refuses to get off his old M1’s and we dont want to make that ski anymore.

      Since we are making the Commander we do believe we achieved all of the above.

      I would suggest giving it a shot before judging a book by its cover, I think you’ll be surprised.

      • I’m just here to say that I initially read (D) as “The ski we built had to make you “Be [ski like] Tyler Curles.”

        And I thought, “If the Commander 108 will turn me into Tyler Curles, I’m ordering 50 pairs right now.”

        And I will also admit that if this truly is Tyler’s new favorite … coupled with L. Jacobson’s insistence about how this ski does (and doesn’t) perform … count me extremely curious. And Luke Koppa is practically salivating over here, dying to ski these things.

        • To ski like Tyler you need to turn off your brain and have balls of steel. Unfortunately, those options are not included with the Commander 108 at this time, we are working on including those features on the 19/20 version.

      • Luke,

        Thanks for chiming in, it’s great to hear more about the development of this ski! Sorry for the pressumptive comments, it’s wrong to judge the book by it’s cover. I’ll refrain from passing judgement of them until I get them on the snow. My buddy I ski Mammoth with has a pair now, so will get on them soon!

        Its just such a different shape and design from Moments of the past that’s it’s been hard to get a good grasp of what they are. And if this made Tyler Curle get off his M1s, then holy crap, that’s huge. Big Moment fan, and I trust what you guys know what you’re doing, I’m just very passionate about this I guess haha

      • Ah F!, now you have me intrigued! I didn’t want to buy a new ski this year but now that might have to change.

        I bought the Bibby Tour two years ago, set it up with Marker Kingpins and it has also become my daily driver at the resort.

        I think for this, a Salomon Shift would be more safe. Why not put it on a Bibby/Wildcat non-tour or the Commander 108? The shape of the Commander looks all wrong to what I like :-) but so does the Bibby and the Bibby is great.

        Best of luck and have fun,
        Lukas

  4. When do you think a full review is going to go up? Thinking about buying these but would like to see how you guys think they ski first. I’m really curious about those tips in the bumps and how the ski feels in the air with the mount point set at -8

    • Unfortunately we’re just waiting (impatiently) for the resorts to open enough terrain to actually get a good idea of the ski. We’ll post a Flash Review as soon as we have any time on them, and then our full review should go up a few weeks after that. If conditions are favorable, we’re aiming to get the full review up by early December.

  5. Hm, I am between the Commander 108 and The Metal from J-Skis. Luke Jacobson said in the podcast about the new line up that The Metal has a lot of tail-taper and thus not enough effective edge. Something that is differen from the Commander 108. However, compared from the photos, it seems that The Metal has more effective edge.

    OK, can’t wait for the Commander 108 review. I suggest the blister reviewer will report live or every evening of the testing as he/she goes :-)

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